EliteXC “Unfinished Business” Results: Lawler Retains Title; Shields and Silva Crowned EliteXC Champions
By: Kris Karkoski | Jul 27, 2008
- Robbie Lawler (c) def. Scott Smith via TKO- Round 2, 2:35
EliteXC Middleweight Championship - Nick Diaz def. Thomas Denny via TKO - Round 2, 0:30
- Jake Shields def. Nick Thompson via submission (guillotine choke) - Round 1, 1:03
EliteXC Welterweight Championship - Cristiane “Cyborg” Santos def. Shayna Baszler via TKO - Round 2, 2:48
- Antonio Silva def. Justin Eilers via TKO - Round 2, 0:19
EliteXC Heavyweight Championship - Rafael “Feijao” Cavalcante def. Travis Galbraith via TKO - Round 1, 3:01
- Wilson Reis def. Bryan Caraway via unanimous decision (30-27, 30-27, 30-27)
- Anthony Ruiz def. Jeromy Freitag via unanimous decision (29-28, 29-28, 29-28)
- David Douglas def. Marlon Mathias via TKO- Round 1, 0:12
- Carl Seumantafa def. Mike Cook via TKO - Round 1, 3:39
- Drew Montgomery def. Brandon Tarn via TKO (cut) - Round 3, 4:22
despite cbs slightly shotty camera work over all the production wasnt bad however lets go ahead and get some new freaking commentators and lose that guy from showtime i might have to mute our tv
My feelings always change and seem to get more harsh over a good nights sleep. I have defended Nick Diaz and been a fan for a long time. The guy needs to work on his f-n stand up game, get som pro boxing help or hit the weights. He should have been able to KO Denny with on of his first two flurries of punches but Diaz lacks power. Hoenstly, to me he looked like a 14 yr old in a street fight throwing flailing slap punches. I still like Nick and know his ground game is legit but by trying to go for the KO to impress his hometown, he proved to me how weak his stand up is. I hate Noons but he said, “I want to fight the best.” Diaz is not one of the best right now and does not deserve that match until he wins another 1-2 fights. The end reult of the fight was an ass whoopin but I am just not impressed with Diaz’s stand up preformance.
Jake Shields is one of my top 5 favorites. I wonder if he was told to say, “I want to fight the Winner of Fitch/GSP to unify the title and prove who the best is.” Perhaps he said it because it was his desire and he may have got in trouble for making that comment. All I know is Shields has a place in the UFC. Everyone can disagree and tell me I’m a crazy retard but I would put money on Shields coming to the UFC beating guys like Swick, Kos, Fitch, Alves and GSP. Yes! I truly believe he can beat GSP. Hopefully we see that within the next 2-3 years. I’ve been able to follow Shields more closely than other fighters because he is local and I know a few guys who train with him.
I think Shields would get killed by Kos, Fitch, and GSP. I’m not ready yet to put Alves into the top contention yet… just prejudice.. but i think shields gets beat by any of them
I think waht Elite XC lacks is quality talent. They have a few good fighters but no one to really put in there against them. It was much better than the first in terms of quality, but they have to put on better fights. Their one redeeming quality is the women’t division. However, I do question why cyborg is built and speaks like a man. I think she is probably utilizing an “ufair” advantage.
oh when i said prejudice I didn’t mean like racist.. i meant I don’t think he’s that skilled yet btw.. don’t want any confusion there
One last thing I almost forgot. Why does Elite, Affliction and every other promotion have to mention when one of their fighters has previous fights in the UFC? “So&So is a former UFC champ…..a former UFC vet…etc” Is it to make the fighter look better or is it to build up the promotion by using the fame and popularity of the “UFC” name. I ask because when Anderson Silva was shown in the audience the GARBAGE team of commentators said, “And there is the MW Champ Anderson Silva.” They never mentioned the UFC in that reference. Now all the average fans and retards still trying to understand MMA have been had, fooled, tricked and decieved by Elite. Say it right, ” There is the UFC MW champ Anderson Silva. P4P the best on the planet next to Fedor Emlianenko.” That would have been fine. The way the commentator said it makes it seem Anderson is in Elite. I saw through this as I’m sure most of you did too. Now I am waiting for a particular local radio host and certain friends to have fighters/promotions all mixed up leaving them clueless when we discuss MMA. Elite is still garbage and just confusing the average and new fans with their elementary MMA BS. I enjoyed the fights but overall it was nothing great.
OKay OKAY OKAY…..Sorry…1 more thing. I laughed when the commentators said the Lawler/Smith fight would go down in MMA history…..really? Why? Elite got rid of the dancers and former pop star acts….If they get new commentators, they may be onto something.
Brandon,
Admit it, you’re an intolerant racist man full of hate. I understand you think any of those guys would beat Shields but tell me why you feel that way?
yes i agree we all should laugh about commentators saying things like that. fact is lawler and smith didnt do too much in the ufc. i think anderson takes them both in one night in one cage!
Brandon,
Are you knowledgeable or aware of the fact that Shields has submitted Fitch in a BJJ tournament and he also beat Diego Sanchez at Abu Dahbi championships?
I noticed that the he/she, Cyborg, isn’t on the fighter section on the elite xc website. Anyone know why? Seems a little odd to me.
Tmoney,
That site is for humans only. Transgender cyborgs are located on some strange porn site. I’m sure Elite will get right on it.
I thought it was strange that A. Silva was there last night. He better watch out. Dana might hang him for treason.
Speaking of the elite xc website, I was looking at the pictures of their fighters the other day and im pretty sure they have at least 5 homeless men on their roster. Dave Huckaba vs. Jaime Jara will be on bumfightsdump.com any day now.
Brandon,
A few days ago you said, “let it be known, I agree with KOuch.”(basically saying you always disagree) That is fine I love healthy debate. My problem is you disagreed with my view on Shields being able to beat some of the top UFC guys when he has already proven better in BJJ by beating Fitch and Diego Sanchez. Now come back at me with healthy debate tactics and tell me why I am wrong. Not just, “I think Shields would get killed by Kos, Fitch, and GSP.” I repect your feelings but your train of thought has no back bone. Your post was just what you, “think.” My feelings and opinion are based on past matches that have happened. Sheilds beat Fitch and Sanchez….tell me why he could not do it again or beat anyone else in the UFC. ATTACK BACK!
I really dont see shields even getting close to beating any of the ufc top welterweights…I would go as far as saying CARLOS CONDIT could beat jake shields…I just dont think he is as good as elite xc thinks
Arnold,
Very funny.
Gunslinger,
I would go as far as to say do your homework. Shields has already beat Condit.
Win Nick Thompson Submission (Guillotine Choke) EliteXC - Unfinished Business 7/26/2008 1 1:03
Win Mike Pyle Submission (Rear Naked Choke) EliteXC - Renegade 11/10/2007 1 3:39
Win Renato Verissimo TKO (Strikes) EliteXC - Uprising 9/15/2007 1 4:00
Win Ido Pariente Submission (Rear Naked Choke) K-1 HERO’s - DYNAMITE!! USA 6/2/2007 1 2:06
Win Ray Steinbeiss Submission (Guillotine Choke) Bodog Fight - Costa Rica 2/18/2007 1 1:29
Win Steve Berger TKO FCP - Malice at Cow Palace 9/9/2006 2 1:36
Win Yushin Okami Decision (Majority) ROTR 9 - Rumble on the Rock 9 4/21/2006 3 5:00
Win Carlos Condit Decision (Unanimous) ROTR 9 - Rumble on the Rock 9 4/21/2006 3 5:00
Win Dave Menne Decision (Unaminous) ROTR 8 - Rumble on the Rock 8 1/20/2006 3 5:00
Win Toby Imada Decision KK - Kage Kombat 11/12/2005 3 N/A
Loss Akira Kikuchi Decision (Unanimous) Shooto - Year End Show 2004 12/14/2004 3 5:00
Win Ray Cooper Submission (Rear Naked Choke) Shooto Hawaii - Soljah Fight Night 7/9/2004 1 3:29
draw Kazuo Misaki Draw Pancrase - Hybrid 10 11/30/2003 3 5:00
Win Akira Kikuchi Decision (Unanimous) Shooto 2003 - 8/10 in Yokohama Cultural Gymnasium 8/10/2003 3 5:00
Win Milton Vieira Decision (Unanimous) Shooto - Midwest Fighting 5/21/2003 3 5:00
Win Hayato Sakurai Decision (Unanimous) Shooto - 2002 Year-End Show 12/14/2002 3 5:00
Loss Ray Cooper Decision (Majority) Warriors Quest 6 - Best of the Best 8/3/2002 3 5:00
Win Robert Ferguson Decision GC 7 - Casualties of War 11/4/2001 2 5:00
Win Jeremy Jackson Submission (Rear Naked Choke) GC 6 - Caged Beasts 9/9/2001 1 2:03
Win Tracy Hess Decision GC 3 - Showdown at Soboba 4/7/2001 2 5:00
Win Randy Velarde Submission (Rear Naked Choke) GC 2 - Collision at Colusa 2/18/2001 2 3:19
Loss Phillip Miller Decision (Unanimous) IFC WC 9 - Warriors Challenge 9 7/18/2000 2 8:00
Win Shannon Ritch Submission (Choke) BOTB - Best of the Best 5/4/2000 1 N/A
Loss Marty Armendarez TKO (Strikes) IFC WC 6 - Warriors Challenge 6 3/25/2000 1 7:34
Win Brian Warren Decision CFF - The Cobra Challenge 1999 12/11/1999 N/A N/A
Win Paul Harrison TKO (Strikes) CFF - The Cobra Qualifier 1999 10/23/1999 N/A N/A
I apologize for taking up the whole page with Sheilds record but now we all have a refernce in this debate.
wins over condit and okami back to back, not to bad
That is the type of stuff I’m talking about Arnold. He has beat plenty of high caliber quality fighters. Shields is no joke….he’s just fairly unknown to the masses and Brandon.
Another thing while I am on my Shield’s kick building a band wagon for him. He just manipulated the Nick the Goat with JJ leading to a submission in 1:03 of rd 1. Nick was on a 12-13 fight win streak with over 30-40 fights and look how quick Shields “FINISHED” him. Shields is the real deal.
Kouch is right guys… Shields is for real and is one of the few EliteXC fighters that are worthy of being compared to the UFC.
Those of you who still need to do their homework just hit sherdog and check out the fight stats. very enlightening and an entertaining read. I kept clicking fighter names for hours the first time I was there.
Another Kudos to EliteXC for a 100% turnaround from the last prodution. The CBS dude needs to go but I like Frank Shamrock and his braces and even Mauro Rulio (or however you spell it) has a pretty good announcing voice. However, I’d still like to see Bas at either Affliction or EliteXC now and then. That f*cker is hilarious.
On another note… I don’t think anyone here should disagree that Robbie Lawler is twice the fighter he was in the UFC. Not near as much anger in his fights as their used to be. Much more patience. I’d love to see a Nick Diaz/Robbie Lawler rematch. Nick owned Lawler because of anger issues and getting into his head.
I wonder how the fight would go with patience and fairly even emotions?
i think it would be excellent, i see them both as extremely evolved fighters mentally and physically. a rematch between them would be crazy, i want to see nick beat noons though and finally get a belt, i think lawler would would be all over diaz but still an awesome fight.
KOuch,
I know tht…but since when does beating someone a long time ago mean they can still beat them…i mean come on it was in 2006 before condit was even very good he has improved alot more since then,since when hs beating someone once mean you can beat them again….i mean come on if that was logic in mma then rampage would hve lost his first match in the ufc and shields does not even deserve to step foot in the cage at the same time as gsp,fitch…and KOS would destroy him!
also KOuch look t the people the goat beat in his win streak there is only about three or four names that are any good…..eddie alvrez..chris wilson….Dustin Denes ….and thats bout it…look at most of the records of the guys the goat faced most of them where no names with records like 18-15…and 3-3 those re qulity opponents….now im not sying shields isnt good because he is but i just think your comments about how he can beat gsp,fitch,kos and alves are pure garbge i mean come on gsp,kos and fitch are way to good for him to beat
I wonder if Kimbo would TAPOUT against Gina Carano.
jeremy thats a very off topic question?
diaz is the man another win get him back in the ufc
Who wouldnt let Gina tap them out?
i dont think diaz will come back to the ufc …at least not while his brother is in there…i would like to see that match though diaz vs diaz
That fight could happen if Nate got off the crack and bulked up to 170.
Gunslinger,
My comments based on facts are garbage? Your opinion is garbage. All you did is give me your opinion….NO FACTS. The fact is, Shields beat Diego and Fitch in the past. The only reason you feel the way you do is because you’re an average fan who is unfamiliar with the depths of MMA talent. Any unknown/not popular fighter is unworthy to you. You probably didn’t even know who Shields was until last night. Furthermore, you’re a liar. A big F-N liar. You did NOT know Shields beat Condit in the past. Had you known that, you never would have posted what you did. I can no longer continue this topic with you. You spewed garbage based on opinion and lack of KNOWLEDGE. I like healthy debate not GARBAGE opinion. Next time bring the FACTS!
…nate diaz vs sean sherk?
Gina Carano vs. Me, PLEASE!!!!!
KOuch,
me bring the fcts i believe it is you who neeeds to check your facts there buddy
shields did not beat diego and fitch in an mma fight you idiot he beat them in jui jitsu matchs that has nothing to do with a real fight…..that means nothing fitch would punish him and diego well come on shields wouldnt even stand a chance….
and dont call me an average fan…ive been watching mma since i was born and ive been fighting and training since i was 16…you must be an verage fan or you would know that diego and fitch never lost to shields in an mma fight
Ok, sorry it’s been a while since i last posted, been busy
-K- this is why Shields loses to Fitch, GSP and Kos
1. grapplers quest, abudabi and other JJ tournaments is not MMA
2. When Fitch lost to sheilds in those tournies fitch was not a black belt, shields was
3. Fitch is a great wrestler with really good GnP and does extremely well avoiding subs while pounding ppls faces.
4. GSP was in the guard of the best BJJ guy on the planet in BJ Penn and never came close to a submition.
5. GSP is a freak of nature and massive for 170. he’s too hard to even really train for.
6. Kos is extremely simmilar to GSP he just needs a little more time, but he’s already to the point of any appoonent he can take down at will.
To be a great BJJ mma fighter you need to be able to dictate the action and where it goes. I know Royce and others have amazing guards but it really cuts their ability to submit their opponents down dramatically. inside the guard dominant wrestlers who have very good BJJ subs and sub defence can outpoint other sub grapplers fairly well. Many people believe that with the 3 round judges scoring that Dan Severn would have beat Royce Gracie.
So my main point is grappling is NOT mma. And your accomplishments in grappling are good and all.. but it’s no comparison to mma
“Everyone has a game plan till I hit them in the face” - Mike Tyson
Gunslinger,
All your training has done is make you a **** talking key board warrior. I have no problem agreeing/disagreeing with you but you initially came off saying my comments were garbage and now you are insulting me more. I am no longer speaking/typing to you regarding this. You are coming off immature and childish with name calling. I want to talk MMA…..obviously you want this to be an “average” interenet discussion where people have no real knowledge regarding the topic and just bad mouth each other. Let’s keep MMAFRENZY classy and knowledgeable. Stop the name calling and insults.
Brandon,
I can agree with a lot of that. It still comes down to having to see the match up first hand. Kos is overrated in my opinion and he bores the **** out of me. Yes, he has great takedowns and is looking good in the cage but I am not a fan as much I am a critic. I only hope we are still all around here as Shields works his way up the MMA rankings. As far as grappling not being MMA……That’s ridiculous. It is a huge part of the game. Accomplishments in any fighting art should be recognized and known by opponents. Grappling, wrestling, BJJ, JJ, judo, disturbing judo, kung fu, boxing etc….. That is how you make game plans. Good job presenting FACTS not opinion. It was a good read.
My thing with Shields is that for the most part, he is an unkknown and as a result not getting his proper respect/credit. Like I said, he is a local fighter where I am from so I get to follow him a little more closely than other fighters. It seems to me, people do not think he has gotten better or can get any better. That makes no sense to me. I know first hand the guy trains his ass off and is starting to work more on his boxing with some very good people. He has gotten better unlike most people think. There is nothing I can do to change anyone’s opinion but I want everyone to just keep your eyes open for Shields. He will be in the UFC one day and prove me very right while making Gunslinger sound just silly.
A list of top world grapplers that can’t seem to get it together in MMA.
Jorge gurgel - 3-3 inside the UFC won pro-american grappling tourney.
Ryan Canerio - 2-2 inside the UFC, won Several grappling tourney’s
Richardo Almeida - 2-3 inside the UFC, this one especially he was pumped to be just a killer, and when he fought someone he couldn’t take down, he wasn’t much at all.
There are more.. Honorable mentions on my list would be Gabriel Gonzaga, Jeff Monson. I know everyone of these fighters are good fighter. But in todays MMA world you CAN be a world class grappler and still be a sub-par to slightly above average fighter.
Dean Lister and BJ Penn are the guys to look at. They are guys that are world class submission grapplers with a good stand up game (or developing in the case of lister)
Brandon,
See….that’s what I like. FACTS! Gurgrel is a f-n bum….no denying that. I repsect and understand what you are saying but fighters still need to be able to grapple in MMA. MMA fighters need to be well rounded and grappling is a part of that. If grappling is all you can do, that is another story of a ****ty fighter. I agree with you on Penn but by no means Lister. Grappling should not be ignored. It is a great way a fighter can control and push the pace if he is better than his opponent in that specific area of MMA. Still, I agree quite a bit…..let’s just not go throw grappling out the window like it’s useless.
I wonder if the new hatred for name calling will translate into promotions and other ‘hated’ fighters like Kimbo, Diaz and Sylvia?
Personally, I like to bash every now and then whether it be a fellow poster or a fighter. However, I do use opinion combined with facts to back up any argument so I suppose that’s where Gunslinger went wrong.
Gunslinger bro you’re still able to have your own opinion so don’t let anyone take that away from you. I do have to agree with you one one point, some of the wins of the fighers you complained about are less than average at best…but they’d still kick my ass so I have no room to talk.
DannyBoy,
You’re such a KIMBO! Why don’t you Sylvia your mother! Your bashing is always in good humor. The difference with Gunslinger is, he got mad and started name calling then throwing out insults. I’ve enjoyed discussing MMA with Gunslinger for a while now. For some reason he got angry and verbally abusive over this topic. I forgive him…..he is such a Diaz.
One other thing… I still agree with Kouch that Shields has the potential to be a top contendor in the sport…not just in some promotion that everyone here dislikes.
It will be interesting to see what happens when some big name UFC fighters come off contract and are looking for more money that someone else may be willing to pay them.
hahaha well said KOuch.
DannyBoy,
Wouldn’t a 4 man royal rumble be great with GSP, Fedor, Silva and Penn? One cage, 4 men all fighting for themselves…….Never would happen but that would be the coolest thing I’ve ever seen. I think Gunslinger should go train with Shields.
I agree that an MMA fighter NEEDS a ground game. I don’t discredit the ground as a need at all in MMA.
What I’m saying is there are several fighters who come with extremely decorated backgrounds in grappling and do not do well in MMA because of the striking element. You have time when your on your back with full guard to work a choke or an arm bar or use hip movement for a sweep because your opponent is only working for their own submission in grappling contests. When your working for those things and someones elbow is bashing you in the head you had better move, block, or get a hurry on that submission and that can rush things for top grapplers.
Looking at the champions out there
Fedor - amazing sub grappler, good wreslter, great striker
A. Silva - amazing striker, great sub grappler, good wreslter.
GSP - amazing wrestler, great striking, good sub grappler.
Penn - amzing sub grappler, greater striker, good wresler
So you can see how the greats have a little of all of that. but you can’t say that Shields will be a top mma fightr through his bJJ background. I agree that will make him very good, and dangerous on the ground to a lot of other fighters, but I don’t see Fitch, Penn, GSP and Kos and Diego being afraid of going to the ground against Shields. I also don’t think Shields will get the right type of quality opponents to really show he’s ready for those names listed above in Elite XC. When their MW championship has Scott Smith giving their champion a run for his money and Kimbo being protected by the Refferee’s and fed bums all the time it shows a little about the promotions.
people can criticize the talent in elite xc, but you cant deny the fact that they were good fights. i was very impressed by the show as a whole. the fights came quicker and had good endings.
Diego and Fitch better be afraid of going to the ground with Shields should it ever happen. They have both been there and lost. The true test would be to see what kind of game plan they would bring to avoid the ground and keep it standing. Shields main problem is he is not popular and fighting for Elite. Dana White even said, other/smaller promotions are needed to get guys experience before coming to the UFC. That is definitely the case with Shields. I’m still amazed how you guys keep saying Fitch, Kos and whoever else keep getting better but for some reason do not recognize Shields as someone training just as hard and also getting better. Shield is not even in his prime yet. It’s is totally unfair and pointless to mention Kimbo and Scott Smith in the same sentence as Shields. Shields talent is superior to those guys. We all know Elite is a ghetto ****hole of MMA promotions but what do you expect fighters to do when they are trying to gain experience and make it to the top? Turn down a promotion because they are not the UFC? Just because a fighter is not in the UFC does not make him a bum. You will all see the wrath of Shields soon enough and I will gladly open the doors to the bandwagon. Gunslinger will have to sit in the very back though.
Just read ratings were down…They attribute it to no Gina or Kimbo…Why can’t it just be to a crap product last time out…
XC…Own up to it…The fans may stay longer than the wind does with Kimbo.(Kimbo fans I Only typed that because he gassed)
They still need to test Cyborg…